pwn3rer
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Hello all. I am a nit of a n00b, so I will just come out with this... My bike has V Brakes, but I notice, 90% of other people's bikes have Discs. I mean, obviously they aren't as good, or something, but I find them very good, they lock tight easily, easy to maintain, and cheap to replace!
Also, I have the ability to upgrade my rear V-Brake to a disc, so, I ask, should I? If so, what discs would you recommend (just for the rear, with cables etc etc)?
Thanks all,
Will.
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greeneye
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hello again, good question, for an in depth answere go on the 'Cable or Hydraulic Disc Brakes ?' post on page 4 of 'bike/product buying' and i do mean in depth, really really in depth.
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pwn3rer
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Ok... Thanks.
I think I may well stick with my V's for the moment... they still lock and they are nice and tight. I was planning to get cables, but now I sort of see the upgrade is pointless.
So... V-Brakes are not that uncommon? I have a XC Hardtail, and all other hardtails I see have discs. I will save up some money and buy a singles rear hydralic disc. Also, I may need a new hub.... 
Still. Thanks anyways!
Will.
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"Cross Country is where it all began. Giving riders the opportunity to go beyond roads and experience new places in nature where no one else goes. It is a test of endurance and technical skills where one must climb up steep hills and descend down narrow trails through wandering trees and over rocks. Giving one an overwhelming sense of accomplishment and excitement with one simple ride." - Kelli Emmett
Edited by pwn3rer (24/07/2008 22:03)
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greeneye
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good for you mate, there lighter than disc brakes to.
if it aint broke dont fix it.
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Sir_Queuesalot
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Ditto,
Well set up V's are 100% better than cable discs at least.
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pwn3rer
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wow. thanks guys. You have saved me a lot of money! Your words have saved me a lot of time! Would you say though, it is worth upgrading in the future?
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Sir_Queuesalot
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Your gonna need to change your hub and splash 60-100 notes on a back disc brake.
IMHO, I wouldn't just upgrade the back brake as the front brake is the most important one on the bike.
Bang on the back brake and you'll lock the wheel, bang on the front and you're over the bars... See what I mean, so for slowing down the front one is far more effective. I'd stay as you are until you want to upgrade further or you get problems with your rim brakes.
Discs look great but the road of upgrading is a slippery slope!
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greeneye
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no, i would not upgrade mate, you seem happy with the v-brakes so stick with them.
you will eventually buy a whole new steed and that will probably have disc brakes on,so just hold out till then.
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pwn3rer
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yup, that's exactly what I'm going to do. Probably wait until next summer or so, and then spend out on a new one.
Thanks all!
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JonnyB
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Just thought I'd throw this in. Have you thought about maguras hydraulic rim brakes? I ran these on an old xc bike and found them very effective - although taking your wheel off can be a bit of a pain if you use the barke booster plates. But they are a kind of happy medium and only really outperformed by hydro discs when it gets gloopy. But as has been said if it aint broke don't fix it, there's nowt wrong with well set up vees, me personally though i find cable brakes to be a pain in the jacksy, never really found any i've been happy with.
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pwn3rer
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mmmm, I am sticking with my vee's for the minute, have looked at the cost of a full upgrade and I would need:
New fork
New Hubs
Actual Disc brakes
and I reckoned it would come to about £250... so, I am not too up for it at the minute 
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JonnyB
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Ah haa not if you get the maguras, think they're less than a 100 a set, if you can still get them i aint seen any for ages.
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Sir_Queuesalot
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Jonny B has a point, you wouldn't need new hubs but...
Having ridden with a guy in Austria using them I can confirm that mud clearance is anything but great, especially given our loverly summer
They're fine for dry work or the trials boys but muddy XC? You'll be knuckle deep in kak in no time.
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pwn3rer
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what you mean? you talking about V-Brakes sir q? or about these "maguras"....?
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Sir_Queuesalot
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Magura do a hydraulic brake that replaces your V brake.
http://www.wiggle.co.uk/p/Cycle/7/Magura_HS33_Hydraulic_Rim_Brake/5360015089/
Very powerful and back brake of choice for trials cyclists. Little if any mud shedding clearance and about £110 for front and back. Save your pennies until you want to upgrade the whole hog!
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pwn3rer
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right. so, here it is. I need to get a new fork because my current fork is only for vees. My friend has an old fork (not sure of the exact type yet will post another time) and then I am free to upgrade (my frame has a slot for a rear disc brake).... HOWEVER. I need to get new hubs and I want some nice ones like those shimano deore ones, and they are like £20 each. so it will probably cost me like 150 in all.
But now I have just noticed that website you linked to me, and now I am completely lost.
1. I have never heard of "magura" before.
2. How on earth do they work?????
3. just seriously, what the hell!?
4. So.... they fit to vee mounts?
I really am confused here. Help me out guys. Ok, so I just went onto their website and saw how they work... but I still don't really get it... how do they really differ from vee's?
Also, I have seen the whole set, it is £140.... ouch.
But their is this set: http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/Models.aspx?ModelID=6003 it is an older version, but cheaper.... what are the differences?
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shambling_jon
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Just like to add my 2 penneth here if anyone is still interesteed:
Yes I've heard all the arguments and would love a nice shiny pair of Hope Mono Minis or Juicy 7s but the bank manager says no so what to do? Well get some decent pads for your v-brakes is my advice. My Giant Trance 4 came with Avid v-brakes which are good but the pads were shocking! The Shimano Deore ones are ok but I got some aztec cartridge ones which are definitely better plus the brake block is replacable (if a bit too fiddly for trailside swaps) and therefore cheaper.
Otherwise it sounds like you need new wheels, new forks etc, or a new bike! Just tell everyone your 'old school'.
Why do they call them 'V-brakes' anyway? Always wondered.
Happy trails, Jon
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pwn3rer
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i think they are called V brakes because they are effectively an upside down "V"... like this: /\.
Yeah, I know what you mean, probably will be sticking with v's for the rest of this gear and see how things go...
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Sir_Queuesalot
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You could always upgrade the V's themselves...
XTR anyone for less than 30 quid?
http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/Models.aspx?ModelID=1832
XT for 16 quid..
http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/Models.aspx?ModelID=3402
OR, front and rear Deore for £14.95!!!
http://www.merlincycles.co.uk/?fn=product&productId=454&categoryId=90
Don't forget these where cutting edge technology a few years back and most will give better performance for less weight than low end discs!!
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Smoke me a kipper, I'll be back for breakfast!!
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pwn3rer
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yeah, I think I have Shimano Tourney one's now or just some cheap version. Will probably end up doin this when the pads need changing or something so that I get it all done at the same time.
Thanks for the links
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