JamieD
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In the August issue we've got two bike tests: the £4k dream machines feature, including the Spesh S-Works Stumpjumper, and a British hardtails trio. Just wondering which one you guys find more useful / enjoyable?
Is it useful to have a feature on bikes that cost £4,000? Hopefully the answer is yes, if only for the fact that it's nice to drool over the latest top end kit!?
Or was it more useful to see some more affordable hardtails thrash it out?
I guess this post comes down to 'why do you read features, for fun or information'?
cheers
-------------------- Jamie Darlow
staff writer, mbr
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Sir_Queuesalot
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Thank you Jamie, the big brother house will get back to you...
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greeneye
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i think its really important to have bike tests from one end of the scale to the other, we are not all rich enough to afford the bling but we are not all poor enough to have to buy the none bling, if you know what i mean. i love to read about them all. the best we read about now will soon end up on the less expensive bikes.
besides i wont ever want a hardtail and i wont ever own a £4000 super bike so whats the difference?? i still enjoy the info.
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mike_lee
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Both were equally as enjoyable even though I'm not in the market for either,(its always nice to see a bit of bling though!).
I think there's a reason why every TV station plays top 50 Countdown programmes - its because we all like a competition and to see who others think is the best/no.1. Same logic applies to reviews. You could even review Jump/Trial bikes and I'd read it even though its a bit too BMXY for my taste!
I think the key for reviews is that its less what genre the review is on - but its essential to make sure that the sample you select is broad enough and varied enough to provide a good cross section and stimulate debate.
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prophet_1000
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Both reads, The £4K bikes to drool over and see how components perform (future upgrades, eh!) and the hardtails for me is just an enjoyable read, But probably essential for the other readers who do want a hardtail and don't care for a Full Susser (even though they may spend as much on a hardtail!) If you were to do away with the hardtails as the trend is towards Full Sussers these days, then 'I think' a portion of your reading audience would stop buying your Mag and loose interest, as the very reason they buy the Mag no longer exists!
P.S leave the Jump/Trials to MBUK, its not to my tastes either, I like trail riding and I think this Mag hits the nail right on the head! Normal Mountain bike rider Blokes who like to ride bikes but also bang out a quality Mag every four weeks!
Keep it up!
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greeneye
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great P.S point there proph, i dont but MBUK for that reason.
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VT1_Doc
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I agree with proph on this one ,the mag is pretty much spot on , I currently buy MBR , MBUK , Singletrack and Dirt and must admit that with the exception of Singletrack they are all good reads - in their own right. For general trail riding the mag of choice has to be MBR as it covers a lot of bases and is more a mag for the masses , MBUK on the other hand tends to cover the longer travel end of the spectrum and Dirt is pretty much DH- Dirtjump only so I assume has a lot smaller fan base. Stick to what you do best guys and keep producing the excellent mainstream mag that you do at the minute 10/10 A****
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Ben_Saville
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The £4k bike feature....
It just left me wandering around asking if anyone would buy me one!
I like a mix, Its good to see what is available and the features / innovations that will filter there way down eventually to us mere mortals.
I remember when hydraulic disc's were a mere fantasy, and the level of bike I could afford only came with V's...... Oh how times have changed!
I think your mix is good, you review more bikes that I could at a push afford, than bikes that are well out of my league!
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sam
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I think it's good to see the best bikes every once in a while. Have you got any dirt jumping or downhill bike tests coming up soon? Because i haven't seen any in a while.
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sam
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I don't think you should just ignore dirt jumping, because if you can be the best magazine on trail riding then why not try inroducing a new variation to your magazine? If people like to see 4K bikes every once in a while, why not show them another type of riding? You'll probably get more readers that way; you just need to make sure you keep your current trail readers satisfied.
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JamieD
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Thanks for all the replies. In light of that, we're gonna switch to moto x.
Seriously though, appreciate the feedback.
-------------------- Jamie Darlow
staff writer, mbr
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prophet_1000
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-------------------- My site www.27gears.com
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glasseye
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Howz about you lend me that 4k dream bike and I'll let you know if your review was accurate?
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greeneye
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goodluck with that one glasseye.
thats just given me an idea, how about a competion for the forum members.
obviously i just wanna really really narrow my chances of winning but it could be a nice Gesture to.
maybe that spesh thay glasseye is talking about.
-------------------- I. falloffalot
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peaslaker
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Reged: 31/07/2008
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Bit of a strange conclusion to the test. "120mm bikes are crossover bikes for hardtail lovers" "120mm bikes aren't up to technical sections" "the ultimate trail bike is a 28lb 140mm travel bike"
Just to get my cards on the table, I agree with the assessment of the Whyte E120 because I have one. It has taken me a long time to get it set up to lose that "got to keep on top of it" feeling. Mine was a custom build coming close to the price of the "Team" but with the freedom to spec my own kit. I went with Formula The One brakes (180s each end) and a Joplin seatpost. I started out with Mavic Crossmax STs because I've 100% converted to UST, but I found them a bit flexy. The current wheels are a much more mundane Hope hubs/Mavic 819 setup. I went with Rockshox Revelation with modified internals from Push fitted by TF Tuned. Tyres are 2.25 UST Nobby Nics, swapping over to a High Roller/Ignitor combination when I'm planning more descending than climbing. Pedals are XTR SPDs. Most of the drivetrain is XTR but with an FSA K-Force light crank that I managed to get for the same-ish price as XTR.
I had high hopes for a dream ride. The build was my "once in a lifetime" extravagance and I kept trying to kid myself it was OK. I'm pretty thorough in setting up my bikes but I couldn't achieve a convincing setup of the E120. My riding companions would look on in disbelief as I complained that the damn thing had tried to kill me by washing out towards the nearest tree yet again. There were glimpses of greatness, but the overall impression had me ready to dump it in a hedge and walk away.
It got to the point where I swapped a known good fork (an unmodified Revelation) onto the bike to eliminate the fork from confusing matters. This was lots better but the rear end of the bike still felt like it didn't want to join in until I was "hitting" the terrain rather than just riding over it. The quality the bike lacked was "flow".
My hunch was that the Fox RP23 with "high" compression damping was to blame, so I had this modded (TF Tuned again) to be much more compliant. It took me a lot of trial and error to get the fork working properly, including emails to Push Industries and the discovery that my shock pump misread by a significant margin (~15% under). I learned that the Push-modified Revelation has an exceedingly narrow setup sweet spot and just a nudge of rebound damping or air pressure either way can leave you with an unrideable mess. Once I found the sweet spot the previously bitty handling was completely transformed.
The result is that my all-carbon 120mm dream bike weighs 28lbs (yes really). It is now fantastic on all the terrain that I hurl it down but it took me three months of frustration to get there. There will be lots of Whyte owners who will have had a lot less frustration from their E120s by running the much less fussy standard Fox F-Series fork (or an unmodified Revelation on the "Trail"spec bikes), but I reckon many/most could benefit from having the shock set to a more compliant tune.
Not sure if there is a point to this lengthy post. I guess I'm endorsing the view that the best trail bike does indeed weigh ~28lbs. Is a 120mm travel bike with a 130mm fork still a 120mm bike or something else? I reckon my 120mm bike is plush and active enough to be a bit of a shock to most hardtail afficionados, but it still scampers up climbs with the very efficient linkage doing its stuff.
I'm off to Afan for the weekend, which will be a proper shakedown for the setup. I guess I'll know for sure whether I've sorted out my dream machine by whether it is or on Monday.
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greeneye
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Good post that peaslaker, god knows what im missing out on cos i just put some air in the forks and shock and kinda say " mmm thats feels ok i guess".
thing is i (along with others i reakon) am just not experienced enough to know whats going on, i may think im getting the most out of the bike but its more than likely im not, how much of a difference does a tweek here and there make??
do i bother messing with it or do i just carry on as i am, ignorance is bliss!
-------------------- I. falloffalot
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peaslaker
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Quote:
thing is i (along with others i reakon) am just not experienced enough to know whats going on, i may think im getting the most out of the bike but its more than likely im not, how much of a difference does a tweek here and there make??
do i bother messing with it or do i just carry on as i am, ignorance is bliss!
If it feels right it is right, I guess. If you're riding a bike and can't imagine it being better, then it must be good. The worst thing for your wallet is to ride someone else's bike and get some funny ideas in your head that your bike isn't as good as it could be.
BTW, Afan was Went down on Friday and managed the Penhydd that evening as a warm up and then did Whites Level and The Wall on Saturday. Managed a second round on Whites Level Sunday morning (taking in the Black section both times round, of course). Favourite was the final descent on The Wall where the bike flowed fantastically. I've definitely got where I needed to be with the bike. I trust its handling now and that is a big change from a couple of weeks ago.
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